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to continue the tax -- lower tax rates for all americans. we want to go to the tax reform that's in the paul ryan budget. the house of representatives has already pass ed twice the ryan budget, which reforms taxes for all americans, takes the top rate to 25%, which is what the europeans do for the business community. we want to go there. how do you get there? i'm not sure that defeating plan b strengthens our ability to get there. i think, in fact, that plan b was a good step in the right direction towards protecting and continuing the tax cuts for everybody. >> and do you think that republicans sort of shot themselves in the foot because they defeated this. at the end of the day, the votes might be there for tax increases that from the republican perspective, are even worse than what the speaker offered that they wouldn't let him even bring up for a vote. >> as i read the speaker's proposal, plan b, i thought it moved us in the direction of maintaining all the bush tax cu cuts. look, this is not a fight that begins and ends the first week of january. there's going to be a regular fight on t
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